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ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is moving to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of modern sporting rifles beginning January 5, 2011. Specifically, the ATF requirement calls for firearm retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more semi-automatic rifles that are larger than .22 caliber, capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

Today’s Washington Post suggests that the reporting mandate would be limited to retailers along the Southwest border; however, the Federal Register Notice does not limit the geographic scope of the reporting requirement.

This ATF “emergency” mandate was originally pushed by the anti-gun Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) coalition, headed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, more than a year and a half ago. And the Post reports that the Department of Justice has “languished” over this plan for several months.  Given this timetable, it’s hard to see exactly where the “emergency” is.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation opposes this reporting requirement because it further burdens America’s law-abiding firearms retailers with yet another onerous regulation that will do nothing to curb crime.  Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement, thereby driving traffickers further underground. This is not unlike how criminals maneuvered around one-gun-a-month laws in states like Virginia – which is still considered an “exporting source state” by anti-gun organizations like the MAIG despite its restrictions on the number of firearms law-abiding residents may purchase.

Multiple sales reporting for long guns is an ill-considered mandate and one that ATF does not have the legal authority to unilaterally impose. In fact, ATF has not specified under what legal authority it presumes to act. The decision as to whether ATF can move forward with this agenda-driven mandate will be left to Cass Sunstein who heads the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).  This is the same Cass Sunstein who in a 2007 speech at Harvard University said, “We ought to ban hunting, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

NSSF will be submitting comments in opposition to this registration scheme and is encouraging all firearms retailers, sportsmen and enthusiasts to do the same.

Please voice your concern by doing the following:

1. Call the Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulation Affairs, Department of Justice, Desk Officer at (202) 395-6466.

2. E-mail Barbara A. Terrell, ATF, Firearms Industry Programs Branch at Barbara.Terrell@atf.gov

3. Call your Senators and Representative: United States Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121

Points to make:

  1. Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement.
  2. Long guns are rarely used in crime (Bureau of Justice Statistics).
  3. Imposing multiple sales-reporting requirements for long guns would further add to the already extensive paperwork and record-keeping requirements burdening America’s retailers – where a single mistake could cost them their license and even land them in jail.
  4. Last year, ATF inspected 2,000 retailers in border states and only two licenses were revoked (0.1%). These revocations were for reasons unknown and could have had nothing to do with illicit trafficking of guns; furthermore, no dealers were charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
  5. According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it’s more than 14 years old.  This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states.
  6. Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns – it specifically chose not to.




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60 Responses to “ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns”

  1. Cheap Uncle Joe

    You were expecting rational (or even legal) mandates from this administration?
    Or any of its lackeys?
    Legislation by mandate made by appointees is despotism at best and tyranny
    at its worst.
    We need to wake up, America!

  2. Doug The Canuck

    This is heading down the slippery slope of gun control and gun registry that we are stuck with in Canada.

    The amount of money spent for the little or no advance in public safety makes no sense.

    All of the pro-gun organizations need to get together on this one and fight it at the thinking stage. Once it’s implemented, it will be much harder to fix.

    I suspect that if this is enacted, major gun thefts will just go up.

    You have to stop the criminals from the activity, because they will keep going as long as there is a buck to be made.

  3. JIM

    IT SURE SOUNDS LIKE A BACK DOOR TO UNITED NATIONS MANDATES SNEEKING UP ON US ! THERE IS TOO MUCH CONFUSION NOW IN OUR GUN LAWS.ASK SIX AGENCIES FOR THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF GUN LAWS IN OUR COUNTRY,AND YOU’LL GET SIX CONFUSED ANSWERS !!!!

  4. Shoe71

    Goes to show the stupidity of the liberal left. they have been told that American citizens can’t buy fully automatic weapons as they aren’t available to us and still insist we are suppling weapons to the cartels.

  5. Bob in Houston

    And this does what exactly to stop all the guns sold to the Mexican Govt by our Govt. that end up sold to the Cartels???

  6. Fcarroll8400

    sorry but they are not STUPID looks to me like they get to do the rule making

  7. Edwinj3

    For now anyway…..

  8. Mbutler23

    I emailed ATF using the above talking points—not that they will listen.

  9. Parslowc

    Exactly! This is where the bulk of weapons are obtained.

  10. Tazman

    SIG SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!!!

  11. Foreverhalloween

    Liberal Left? Reagan killed the machine guns, and Bush Sr. ripped the guts out of semi-auto’s.

    This is neither left nor right!

    None of the major gun-banning legislation put in place by Democrats is EVER repealed when we manage to get Republicans in charge.

    There is a bigger agenda, and people need to stay alert to the fact that they may suffer from “our guy won” complacency. Unlike JIM above, I don’t believe any of this is “confusion”. It marches forward with precision, actually, if you look at the big picture.

  12. Twoodcutr

    The gun laws are becoming as confusing as the tax code of this country. No one understands them,per the average American. Such is happening with the gun laws.
    I would like to ask one question. Who are the ones buying from gun dealers,the law abiding citizen or the criminal? I think all who try to do what’s right will know this answer.

  13. Smjim palpecker

    Hum,,,I just came home from a three weeks stay in Virgina,,I bought 3 long guns with no trouble,so much for the one gun a month part of this report,also had to fill out state paperwork and be approved by the state police and the Regular Government backround check paperwork,also I found it odd that with a concealed weapon permit from florida i can legaly carry there,but buying a handgun there is illeagle for anyone not a state resident,,hum i can bring and carry my own but not buy one there sounds kinda backward to me.

  14. Jrc

    Is this 1934 in Nazi Germany !!
    IT IS TIME FOR EVERYONE SPEAK UP AND KICK THE GOVERMENT IN THE ASS FROM THE TOP DOWN !! THEY WANT EVERTHING

  15. Dboatguy2001

    Hey Dumbshit mayors and gun grabbing controlling politicians guns across the border are largely supplied by or stolen from the corrupt Mexican government and military as well as international arms dealers …wake the fuck up!

  16. Anonymous

    It believe you will find that the NGA of 1934 is what ‘gutted’ and ‘killed machine guns; not Reagan. The Brady Bill (Nov 1993) provided new parameters for background checks for purchasing handguns or long guns and initially, lawsuits by the NRA indeed set the precedent that the bill was unconstitutional by the 10th Amendment. Why that bill was allowed to continue is beyond me. SB-23 in July 1999 (under GHWB) is likely the one you refer to which banned larger capacity magazines for most semi autos.

    All of these ‘bills’ are unconstitutional and yet they still exist…why?

  17. Gunguy1

    Reporting the sale of high caliber modern day sporting rifles would allow law enforcement to identify potential gun traffickers, or prohibited individuals attempting to hide behind a straw purchase, At this point, law enforcement is only aware of that multiple sale when the gun is recovered at a crime scene and subsequently traced back to the point of sale.

  18. Xena

    If the firearms are sold legally in the US; then go after those who illegally take them across the border. BETTER YET, let the mexican government deal with it. MAYBE if they worked their northern borber, they might stop the guns from coming in, and the UDA’s from going out. They do NOT care about us… therefore, why do we care about them?

  19. Anonymous

    More regulations for an over regulated industry.

  20. Tim

    We all tend to look at these laws and issues with blinders on. Crime is up,,,so they pass new laws. Drug gangs are taking over in Mexico,,,,so they talk about new regulations.
    When one steps back,,,and takes a look at the big picture,,,,something else is apparent IMO.
    Almost all crime here and in Mexico is directly related to the profit of the drug trade. This is so very similar to what was happening during Prohibition of Alcohol. During the 20’s, organized crime saw huge profits which could be made smuggling alcohol. Organized crime grew. IMO the problem all begins with the silly War on Drugs. It’s about time Americans wake up and deal with the source of all of our problems. We spend billions of dollars every year fighting a War on Drugs,,,yet drugs are everywhere.
    We should follow the lead of some European Countries….Portugal comes to mind. Five years ago, Portugal decriminalized possession of small quantities of drugs. Overdoses fell by 50%.
    Today,,,it is harder for inner city children to buy alcohol and cigarettes than it is to buy crack and heroin. The War has been a total failure.
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

  21. johnrj

    It is merely one step in the reduction of firearms ownership and use by civilians…once the semi autos are gone, then the bolts, the pumps, etc…now, when someone is killed with a sword or machete, no uproar is heard about that. A fingernail clippers though, I am sure you’d be on the terrorist watch list… I wish criminals would kill people with golf clubs and tennis rackets.

  22. Big Al

    Thank U Tim. Why not make HEMP legal ?

  23. Jefferson's Ghost

    The NFA of 1934 did not prohibit the manufacture or sale of machine guns to civilians. The Hughes Amendment to the 1986 Firearm Owner’s Protection Act did. That is why you see machine guns referred to as pre-86, and that’s why the remaining ones cost $14,000+.

    George Bush Sr. was indeed involved in the whole 925(d) and followup 922(r) garbage that effectively banned imported “assault weapons” that did not meet the “sporting purpose” test that was left up to unelected agencies to decide.

    Then came the complete ban on Chinese guns via clinton, and then his Assault Weapons Ban, which has the 10-round magazine limit to which you refer. That sunsetted in 2004, thank God.

    There are no “winners” here. Case in point: The Republicans who, when they held the house, senate, and presidency, did nothing to curb illegal immigration. It’s called “continuity of agenda” and when you step back and see that both parties seek to maintain control, marginalize candidates outside the system, and both lead us down the same path…you start to understand. They are all unconstitutional, and neither party gives a darn about the constitution…it usually only comes up when they are stumping on the campaign trail, and then goes out the window when they pay off their banker buddies, and stick you with the bill.

  24. Anonymous

    Thanks for the info. As you say the unconstitutionality of all this just floors me. How can we land an assault on this trampling of our rights? I have tried calling, writing and even showing up on my congressman’s doorstep; all to no avail. I am stumped…

  25. 11HB4

    Bull. Law enforcement couldn’t find water if they fell out of a boat. The firearms that are singled out for all of the attention are the guns that are not used by criminals. What does that say to you? What is a potential gun trafficker? Anyone who buys more than one gun? How about people who buy massive amounts of ammo? Anything over 100 rounds lets say? Enforce the laws we have. Change the laws that are plain stupid and disband the ATF, the FBI can do the job better and won’t start regulating on their own authority. It amazes me how people can swallow the Kool Aid about straw purchasing assault rifles by the dozen at the local mom and pop smoke and suds. When has it happened? Ever? Those guns are expensive. Go try and drop 12 grand at a small gun shop and see who comes calling. When was the last time you heard of a governmental agency that could tell the difference between a straw purchaser and a guy who buys his twin sons a pair of 10/22’s for their 12 birthday? Scares the hell out of me.

  26. 11HB4

    Our government gives them to the Mex government and the Mex gives them to the cartels. Then we get blamed for the gun show loop hole. The genius of the Left is that they can use a lie as bald as that to beat us over the head with. I could only wish that the Civilian Marksmanship Program could sell M4’s and new M9’s to American Citizens instead of our government giving them to our enemies.

  27. Ike

    A Firearms Tracing System is a euphemism for a firearms registration system. It does not matter if the system includes all firearms or all owners, nor if the system is manual (paper) or automated (electronic). If the system records and registers “firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions” it is a clear violation of 18 U.S.C. 926(a).

    The ATF Firearms Tracing System is a fraud. It purports to trace “crime guns”, but, in fact, is increasingly used as a Firearms Registration System. Innocent gun buyers from years ago are reported to corrupt foreign (Mexican) police and are treated as gun trafficking suspects. Does it occasionally work? Yes, much in the same way as picking names out of a telephone book.

    According to a 2010 Inspector General report, in over 75 percent of successful traces of seized Mexican guns, the gun was originally purchased over 5 years ago, and the information is useless for law enforcement. The average age of guns traced from Mexico is over 14 years and the gun could have been resold a dozen times before being smuggled to Mexico. American and foreign police (including corrupt Mexican cops) have access to names and addresses, driver licenses and possibly Social Security Numbers of legitimate, honest American gun owners.

    Traced “suspect guns” include (ATF’s own examples), individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms (including collectors of older firearms rarely used in crime), and dealers with “improper” record keeping. ATF calls all traced guns “Crime Guns”, but nothing could be further from the truth. Some were certainly used in crime, but most were traced by Law Enforcement for some other reason. Some were traced because they were innocently carried in a car, others because they were found where an unrelated crime occurred. If ATF (or the police) take guns into custody from a collector (even if completely innocent), the guns are traced. Other sources of innocent traces include recovered stolen guns, gun “buy-back” schemes and guns voluntarily turned in to the police from estates and other completely innocent sources. Police have reported ATF tries to compel them to trace every possible firearm, whether used in a crime or not. This is consistent with ATF’s goal to trace 100% of guns in police custody (reported in 2007).

    The federal government itself (Congressional Research Service) questions ATF’s reports and statistics:
    • “The ATF tracing system is an operational system designed to help law enforcement agencies identify the ownership path of individual firearms. It was not designed to collect statistics.”
    • “Firearms selected for tracing do not constitute a random sample and cannot be considered representative of the larger universe of all firearms used by criminals, or of any subset of that universe.”
    • “A law enforcement officer may initiate a trace request for any reason. No crime need be involved. No screening policy ensures or requires that only guns known or suspected to have been used in crimes are traced.” BATFE “noted it is not possible to determine if traced firearms are related to criminal activity.”
    • “Trace requests are not accurate indicators of specified crimes …. traces may be requested for a variety of reasons not necessarily related to criminal incidents. For example, a trace may be conducted on a firearm found at the residence of a suspect though the firearm itself is not associated with a criminal act. Traces may also be requested with respect to abandoned firearms, those found by chance, those seen by officers for sale at gun shows or pawn shops, or those used by suicide victims. . . . It is not possible to identify how frequently firearm traces are requested for reasons other than those associated with violent crimes.”

    • “ATF does not always know if a firearm being traced has been used in a crime. For instance, sometimes a firearm is traced simply to determine the rightful owner after it is found by a law enforcement agency.”

    The basis of ATF tracing is make, model and serial number. Serial numbers on guns are not sacrosanct. Recording of serial numbers is subject to human error, as it is easy to omit a digit or two, or transpose a couple of numbers in dealer records. Similar errors when entering a serial into the tracing system will result in false traces.

    Criminals can even add a number or letter to a serial on a gun, or completely replace it with a false number (illegal act). Once a gun is traced, even falsely or in error, and no matter how innocent the buyer, the first owner’s personal data is permanently retained in the ATF trace file. It is also documented that in attempts to accomplish a trace, Law Enforcement will frequently enter partial serial numbers to attempt a match, which results in additional false traces.

    The Firearms Tracing System is filled with irrelevant data from which ATF attempts to make nonsensical connections. Simply throwing irrelevant data into a records system will not ensure any meaningful result. (Called Garbage In, Garbage Out). Untold millions of taxpayer dollars are spent to create, maintain and enlarge this questionable system.

    The Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 (18 U.S.C. 926(a)) was not put in place for the convenience of ATF, but specifically to curb ATF abuse, protect American firearms owners, and prevent creating a national firearms registration system. Using legal technicalities and convoluted legal logic, ATF has deliberately evaded this law and the appropriations restrictions to justify creating and maintaining backdoor registration systems defying the law and thwarting the Will of Congress and the American People.

    Permanently retaining all data from erroneous, false, and phony traces (as well as legitimate traces of non-crime guns), adding innocent multiple gun purchase data and throwing more questionable data into the mix does not improve the quality of the output. Allowing corrupt foreign (or domestic) police traces, and providing reports to corrupt foreign police further compounds the problem.

    Regardless of the discredited information from the eTrace System, ATF reportedly treats any dealer (reported by traces) as a suspect, or as a corrupt dealer in collusion with straw buyers. In fact, most gun dealers would gladly cooperate with ATF and police, since (as a rule) licensed dealers have no interest in supplying criminals with firearms. However, when ATF treats all such dealers as suspects and subjects them to intense unwarrented scrutiny, each dealer has to be very careful what they say to ATF or risk revocation of their license or even risk criminal prosecution. In much the same way, the first purchaser of a firearm traced (legitimately or falsely) from a seized Mexican gun will be treated as a gun trafficking (straw purchase) suspect by the ATF – even though that American gun owner may have sold the gun years ago and is completely innocent. These individuals will be subject to additional scrutiny and investigation by ATF – for no legitimate reason.

    For more information, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETrace

  28. Ike

    ATF would get a LOT more support if they would quit lying to Congress and the American People. Their credibility is so low, that most people don’t believe anything they say (especially in press conferences) and are afraid to cooperate with them.

    For example: ATF testifies before Congress (and in press conferences) that 90% of seized Mexican guns come from the United States. In 2010, the Office of the Inspector General discredited that percentage and ATF disavowed the figure, saying that it’s “misleading”….(otherwise known as a lie). Melson now says it doesn’t really matter whether it’s 20% or 80%. We think it does matter.

    Only a small percent have been successfully traced. In fact, the only guns that can be traced are guns from America. There are no other tracing systems. At this point, we have no idea how many guns are being smuggled to Mexico – but we agree that some are.

    ATF calls all traced guns “crime guns”, which is not true. Many guns not related to crimes are traced, and this skews the data to make it nonsensical. This was confirmed by the Congressional Research Service.

    ATF uses the “catch phrase” of “time to crime”. This is totally false and only refers to the age of the firearm. Their phrase is used to mislead readers of their reports.

    Now, ATF is reporting names, addresses, and other personal information of totally innocent American gun owners to the Mexican police – and tell them how many other guns we bought. There may be some smugglers and/or straw buyers among them, but who’s to know? Why don’t we simply hand the Mexican police a copy of the Phoenix phone book? It’s got some straw buyers and smugglers listed…..

    None of us want to see U.S. guns smuggled to Mexico, but there’s no point in all of us becoming ATF suspects!

  29. rufus13

    Long-arms ARE NOT USED IN 99+% of CRIMES. A weapon with a barrel and stock longer than 6 inches has no purpose in the “undocumented criminal alien community”, and thus are very rarely recovered from crime scenes or on warrants from housing/cars.

    Let me know the next time a .338 or .50BMG rifle is used in any “street crime”. The only “crimes”
    EVER associated with such weapons are .gov paperwork oriented with no victims.

    I can’t imagine someone doing a mugging with ONE big-bore rifle, let alone “multiples”.

    Have you priced some of the ammo for the big rifles? .50BMG loaded rounds are up to $7 each and come in 4-packs. There’s a reason thugs use .22LR and 9mm pistols, and that’s ’cause those rounds are cheeeeeep.

    “Law Enforcement” is mostly endless tedium followed by after-the-fact report-writing. Guns will be sold to those who want them, period. If you make it so hard for Citizens to buy a legal gun, they will buy a Free Market gun. When the penalty for having a bolt-action single-shot .22 is the same as having a select-fire weapon then I’m getting an M240B. No paperwork either way.

    Close the border and guns won’t flow either direction. Send 30M home and end unemployment among US Citizens. Send them home with guns and stand back as a republic is born.

  30. GardenSERF

    Thanks for this post.

  31. Andrew

    Makes me wonder if those reports are really destroyed within 24 hours after approval of sale.

  32. MODX98

    Gun laws are like pad locks they only keep honest people honest. Lets not fall for this agenda it will only move the anti gun nuts further down the road of disarming the American People.

  33. Jefferson's Ghost

    You’re so right, friend. It’s truly frightening when you think about it…but perhaps a reason to be upbeat may be that so many people ARE thinking about it, thanks to alternative media sources. Spread the word. Snap everyone you know out of the “right vs left” way of thinking. The more informed people there are, who actually begin to see a bigger picture, the better our chances. No longer is voting every four years for the “lesser of two evils” going to cut it. Neither will the NRA’s compromising, waffling, or bargaining. Support the Second Amendment Foundation, as they are the ones who’s hard work brought you Heller and MacDonald.

    The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. It’s time to be vigilant. Turn off the football game, and learn what your congressperson is doing to your rights, and your kid’s future.

    Then pass it on to any person who will listen.

  34. Newleipzig

    “The War has been a total failure.” Well, actually, not at all…for the Federal Government. Think of
    all the unconstitutional laws they have gotten passed !

  35. Newleipzig

    “The War has been a total failure.” Well, actually, not at all…for the Federal Government. Think of
    all the unconstitutional laws they have gotten passed !

  36. Mark Alger

    I’m sorry. I’m a bit new to this, so pardon me if this dumb, but… can somebody ‘splain to me how ANY reporting regime is not a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search? I mean, what can BE more unreasonable than a no-probably-cause fishing expedition into the records of exercise of a protected individual right?

    M

  37. Some Guy

    Since OIRA is a no-go, and the vast majority of retailers are small businesses, why not also call the Chief Counsel for Advocacy at the U.S. Small Business Administration? Since it’s clear DHS isn’t complying with the Regulatory Flexibility Act, have the Chief Counsel load the administrative record up for the inevitable APA/RFA lawsuit. If the Chief Counsel refuses to comment on the record or hold the rule up, call the professional staff at the House Committee on Small Business, and let them know the new chief counsel isn’t doing his job.

    (FYI, it won’t matter, DHS is easily the worst of the worst when it comes to respecting the rights of the public it regulates. DHS will throw every comment they receive straight into the circular file. They will respect nothing but lawsuits, and lots of them.)

  38. Ike

    Is a .223 “larger” than a .22? What about .22 magnum?

    Why does ATF want to know about sales of 2 or more 100 year old 1907 Winchester Rifles? Or Model 8 Remington rifles? WWII M1 Carbines? FN 49 rifles? WWII G43 rifles? Model 1903 Mannlicher Carbines? Model 1907 Dreyse .32 ACP Carbines? 1900 Luger Carbines?

    This appears to be an ATF “fishing expedition” just to see how many more registration records they can add to registration records already stored at the ATF National Tracing Center….

    For more information, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETrace

  39. Myblkniss

    I guess if you want to bypass the reporting requirements on sales of multiple .22 cal or larger long guns with detacable mags just buy ak 74s 5.45×39 smaller than .22

  40. Jigga47201

    Our Paperwork Reduction Act in effect again!

  41. Anonymous

    There was a news piece the other night on Fox News-Gretta Van Susteren “On the Record” program about the Mexican drug and crime problem and the reporter spoke about the “gun problem” with AK-47’s and other “Assault Rifles” of US origin being used by the narco/terrorists against the “poorly armed” Mexican Police. The slant of the story was pure anti-gun, condemning US firearms laws, and the firearms dealers in the Southwest US. that originally sold these weapons. It did not matter that the dealers followed the law and sold these weapons to US citizens legally permitted to own them. One interviewer tried to tried to hold a gun dealer being interviewed responsible for having knowledge of the so called “straw man” sales the ATF says are occurring. It was reported that because of “multiple sales” the ATF is at a disadvantage when trying to track down how these guns are getting into Mexico. At the close of the segment, they reported about this new ATF rule, and that it was to be effective in the new year. Remember, it was during the time of this report that Homeland Insecurity Queen Naplitano was visiting the border because an ICE agent was killed-possibly from a 7.62 x39 round-from an AK style rifle.
    It looks to me the Obama Regime is going to ramp up their efforts toward a ban on “Black Rifles” and other sinister looking evil weapons, as they march on to their Marxist merry way.

  42. Anonymous

    Dont trust wikipedia-It may be a handy source to run to, but anybody can create, add, or edit whats posted there. I believe it to biased, toward a leftest-progressive slant on subjects that fit their agenda-and this subject is at the top of their list. What I am saying is Reader Beware !

  43. JRM

    In a word: NO. They lie about that, too.

  44. Ike

    No, don’t “trust” Wikipedia – or any other source…. That’s why man was equipped with a brain – to figure it out for ourselves. Obviously, you didn’t look at the Wiki entry for eTrace or you would find a lack of any leftest-progressive slant. Go read it and judge for yourself.

  45. Anonymous

    Yes it is. 5.45x39mm is .214 caliber. So, it looks like someone could buy 1,000 AK-74s from an FFL on the border and no special reporting requirements would be needed. This is another example of gun laws focusing on certain guns or certain calibers and not the crime.

  46. W W Woodward

    Mr. Keane,
    FYI: I believe you may have misread the BATF proposed requirements for reporting multiple long gun purchases. The proposal reads, “(a) Semi automatic; (b) a caliber greater than .22; and (c) the
    ability to accept a detachable magazine.” not as you state in this article; “.22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine.”

    Please do not misunderstand. I am totally against this bureaucratic attempt to illegally circumvent the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act. I just feel that anyone who wishes to contact his/her Congress critter and/or the BATF and OBM needs to have all ducks lined up with all information correct so as not to give anyone at BATF an opportunity to wiggle free by arguing that we may be misinformed as to our concerns.

    [W3]

  47. shooting with my boys

    as a child growing up in texas , walking the creeks with my 410 was the best . that gun , which was handed down to me , has now been handed down twice to my two sons . we do a little wing shooting , love popping some clays , and just plain bunching paper targets on weekends . this has been the norm for at least our last five generations . the suits making the rules must of had one crappy childhood . i bet they never walked through the woods with youngster , stopped , and seen that spark in their eye . that same spark i seen as a kid that drew me into the shooting sport . well , both my boys got an upgrade on shotguns this past year . they wanted new rifles for 2011 . thanks to the atf , looks like we might have to spread them out a bit . what a shame . thanks for letting me vent . sorry about length of my comment . got a little carried away . have a blessed season ….

  48. Anonymous

    I did not look at the entry you spoke of because I do not use Wikipedia.

  49. Ike

    First, it was six months. Now it’s a “pilot project for a period of one year”. What’s next? Hmmmm – pilot project…..?

    So, it’s “to identify criminal firearms traffickers”, right? How does reporting the sale of a WWII German K-43 rifle and a WWII M1 Carbine to a collector “identify criminal firearms traffickers”? Or two Remington Model 742 hunting rifles?

    This effort is a load of horse manure….. Designed to expand ATF’s firearm registration files and has little to do with “firearms traffickers”.

    ATF claims it’s AK47 and AR15 rifles that are the “problem”. So why didn’t they try to report those semi-autos instead of everything? Clearly, ATF has more in mind than they admit.

    For more information or ATF registration files, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETrace

  50. Pwil_55

    Just one more step closer to overall gun control. The sad part is the people pushing all this gun control are the same as the people pushing the anti hunting reteric. They have no clue what they are even talking about. They complain how cruel hunting is and disregard the fact that it is hunters that support the environment and keep animal populations in control so they are not starving themselves out. And it is hunters who go out and supplement food resources when natural sources are limited in harsh climates. Just as the anti gunners scream for more gun control, missing the big picture that the criminals are not using legal guns to commit crimes. But the criminals will not hessistate to use illegal guns against law abiding citizens who can not defend themselves. I am an Officer and have been for the last 21 years, and in that 21 years I have came in contact with several citizens who were armed legally and not once did one of them attempt to harm me or act in any way but polite and courtious. The laws need to fit the problem. Enforce laws on those who commit crimes and use guns illegally and stop punishing the innocent.

  51. Freddie Lee Fisher II

    In a time of great national debt . All we need is more goverment red tape just to make so goverment hotshot look good to some minority self importan group. By what right do a few people get to force there will on the rest of us. If they what this then put it to a populace vote and live with the results. Not rewright it or change the name of it Thier are far greater concern in this country to deal with.

  52. rimfire75

    BINGO!

  53. Mikeybz

    People can give money to five different people and they can buy them guns, How is going to help? stupid rule!!!

  54. bondmen

    I did all my multiple purchases prior to the date the new reporting requirement takes effect! This however does not afford those coming after me to take the same actions without RED flagging the BATFE. Maybe we could all agree on a future date when we all will make multiple purchases en mass so as to overwhelm the bean counters! Remember if one doesn’t want Mexican drug lords to purchase weapons then one ought to be certain he’s not buying dope from those scoundrels’ coyotes. It is the US dopers who (indirectly) support the Mexican drug wars!

  55. WinByAttrition

    I think instead of just defending gun rights, gun owners should form a lobbyist group to create laws that prevent restrictions on gun ownership. Obviously, the Constitution does little to stop anti-gun people from trying to make the process of gun ownership a headache.

  56. Srw5244

    We already have a group that fights for gun rights,the NRA,if you don’t already belong join NOW. steve,life member both NRA & NAHC.

  57. Jerry_smith

    So I buy 5 Ruger 10/22 Magnum rifles that are setup in 17HMR and that is legal to purchase at the same time.

  58. Woodsworth

    Yea, you illiterate, unthinking, idiot rednect–let’s get these ‘hunting guns’ in the hands of everyone. I hope you’re the first on the front line.

  59. Dude

    excludes .22 cal?  So…..Ar15’s and the like are all cool then right?

  60. Jenny Standish

    Interesting article! I’ll be sure to pass it along.

    Jenny
    Standish